From: Jonathan Trites Date: 08:54 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Mozilla tabs and url's OK, so I like firefox. It's way better than IE, duh. I haven't tried opera in a few years, but firefox has been good to me, except in this one regard. So, I'm at a page where I'm going to open up a bunch of links (> 10) to read in separate tabs. I can do this with my wheel button or holding down control and clicking normally. Either way works for me. However, sometimes, for whatever reason, the internet doesn't work. Most commonly, this is when the phone rings and makes my wireless die as we have a 2.4 GHz phone, but other things have caused this problem as well. So, after a while, firefox decides it's going to timeout all of the tabs that I have opened that were in the loading state. "Fine," I say, "I'll just wait til the internet is back and then reload the pages." So, the internet comes back, and I go to reload the page, and guess what. The fucking tabs only hold onto url's after the page has loaded. The url's not in the address bar until after the page loads. Well, fuck me in the goat ass. Whose fucking brilliant idea was that? And after TEN SEPARATE TIMEOUT POPUPS, now I have 10 tabs open and no url's in any of them. Half the time, I've moved on or closed the original tab. Just fucking great. Now I have to dig through my damn history, reopen the original document, scroll up and down the fucking page looking for what I had open, and do a rain dance and sacrifice whothefuckknows how many cows hoping it will work this time. Just put the damn url in the tab you peice of shit. Fuck. --=20 And then there was the lawyer that stepped in cow manure and thought he was melting... Want a gmail account? I've got invites galore.
From: Robert G. Werner Date: 09:08 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's Jonathan Trites wrote: [snip] > > Just put the damn url in the tab you peice of shit. Fuck. > Hear, hear, on this hate. Someone get that man a glass of bile.
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 09:54 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Jonathan Trites wrote: > OK, so I like firefox. It's way better than IE, duh. I haven't tried > opera in a few years, but firefox has been good to me, except in this > one regard. [...] > Just put the damn url in the tab you peice of shit. Fuck. Safari is also hateful in this regard. It will save the URLs, but for each page it fails to open you get a popup telling you it couldn't open it. So if you had a bunch of failures because your connection went away, you have to click to each tab, click away the popup, and then reload the page. Is there some reason the text 'there was an error' can't fit on the page? I'm pretty sure I can distinguish a browser error from the page I intended to look at.
From: Matt McLeod Date: 09:59 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's Ann Barcomb wrote: > Safari is also hateful in this regard. It will save the URLs, but > for each page it fails to open you get a popup telling you it couldn't > open it. As of 10.4 it does as you suggests and puts an error on the displayed page instead. Matt
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 14:42 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's > As of 10.4 it does as you suggests and puts an error on the > displayed page instead. Bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger.
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 18:13 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Peter da Silva wrote: >> As of 10.4 it does as you suggests and puts an error on the >> displayed page instead. > > Bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger. Don't tell me you like having to click away popups? That's the reason I've got a popup blocker on in the first place. I think it's kind of silly that Safari gives me the option to block popups but then creates its own...
From: Paul Mison Date: 18:35 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's On 06/08/2005 at 11:13 -0600, Ann Barcomb wrote: >Don't tell me you like having to click away popups? > >That's the reason I've got a popup blocker on in the first place. >I think it's kind of silly that Safari gives me the option to block >popups but then creates its own... A sheet ain't a popup. A dialog ain't an advert. Something from within the application is distinct from something on the internet. And flogging point to death as if it's stuck to a horse. Me, I don't really care one way or another, but while I can see why having to click to dismiss the dialog (or press 'return', which'll have the same effect) is annoying, I can't immediately see the problem with an inline error.
From: Peter da Silva Date: 19:22 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's > Don't tell me you like having to click away popups? I don't have to click-away *dialog boxes*. I can get rid of them with a keystroke, they're designed to go away, right away. That's one reason verification dialogs are so pointless, they're too easy to accept accidentally and approve whatever it is you're trying to protect the user from. Inline errors, though, change the content of the page you're viewing. They hide the very page you need to look at to deal with whatever caused the problem. If you don't want lots of dialogs, there are lots of alternatives. You can use an aggregate dialog. You can put a notification icon next to the name or address of the page until you're ready to deal with it. Anything but inline errors.
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 19:30 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Peter da Silva wrote: >> Don't tell me you like having to click away popups? > > I don't have to click-away *dialog boxes*. I can get rid of them with a > keystroke, they're designed to go away, right away. That's one reason > verification dialogs are so pointless, they're too easy to accept > accidentally and approve whatever it is you're trying to protect the user > from. > Inline errors, though, change the content of the page you're viewing. They > hide the very page you need to look at to deal with whatever caused the > problem. I don't see how this is a problem with the error dialog generated when the server couldn't be reached (the only error dialog I have seen with Safari, and indeed the only one I'm talking about). I don't expect Safari to give me an error if I was able to connect to the server and get an error from it. In that case, I should certainly see the page error. But if the server can't be reached, there's no page to view, hence no error to be concealed. ...and it would be nice if the dialog boxes would go away, right away. But if I want to just close the tab with the error, clicking on the x to destroy the tab forces me to first get rid of the dialog. So for you they may go away quickly, but I think there are quite a few extra steps between quickly and the 'instantly' that I want :).
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 14:41 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's > Is there some reason the text 'there was an error' > can't fit on the page? I'm pretty sure I can distinguish a browser > error from the page I intended to look at. No thanks. Inline error pages are an old and comfortable hate.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 14:30 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's > So, the internet comes back, and I go to reload the page, and > guess what. The fucking tabs only hold onto url's after the page has > loaded. I'm not sure that tabs have anything to do with this. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same behaviour on new windows and URLs opened from other programs. It's pretty hateful, either way.
From: Jonathan Trites Date: 20:52 on 06 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's >=20 > I'm not sure that tabs have anything to do with this. I'm pretty > sure I've seen the same behaviour on new windows and URLs opened > from other programs. >=20 > It's pretty hateful, either way. You're right, now that I think about it. I just use new windows very rarely. So, the entire damn firefox way of opening new links in a different window/tab without first placing the url in the address bar sucks. Cause there's never ever ever a time when it could timeout but be a valid url that, you know, I could just hit reload or enter again when the internet comes back. Never. That's inconceivable.
From: Yoz Grahame Date: 02:06 on 07 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's On 8/6/05, Jonathan Trites <tritesnikov@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > You're right, now that I think about it. I just use new windows very > rarely. So, the entire damn firefox way of opening new links in a > different window/tab without first placing the url in the address bar > sucks. Cause there's never ever ever a time when it could timeout but > be a valid url that, you know, I could just hit reload or enter again > when the internet comes back. Never. That's inconceivable. Excellent hate A+++++ Will likely have this hate again about 8 billion time= s How have they not fixed this by now? People been hating on this biatch for *years*. Anyway, here's an extension that kind-of fixes it if you turn XUL error pages on: http://www.pikey.me.uk/mozilla/#sfu -- Yoz
From: Aaron J. Grier Date: 07:26 on 08 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 02:06:17AM +0100, Yoz Grahame wrote: > How have they not fixed this by now? People been hating on this biatch > for *years*. I hate that HTML and javascript are so fscking complicated that a small simple minimial correctly rendering and functioning web browser seems to be an impossibility.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 01:06 on 07 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Mozilla tabs and url's > > That's one reason verification dialogs are so pointless, they're too easy > > to accept accidentally and approve whatever it is you're trying to > > protect the user from. > that's only if you make the default "do the dangerous thing". Um, no. Even if you make the default "cancel", people STILL get used to clicking "OK" or "YES" on routine dialogs. I get users asking me what they can do about having clicked on the wrong thing in a dialog ALL THE TIME. no matter what the default is.
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